WP_50_29_18 mv pist, using the same valving compare s50oval and w50-18
1
3525
---> !! WE SWAPPED PIST from prel 0000 mach to prel 0005 cvx stk, but ca force at 1-10ips increased ??
1
3526
1464 is first test using 1k press sensors, remove shock piston
1
1464
3790s _05 and _06 were used to finally come to conclusion if we should use actual dyno gas force or calculated gas force. See Images > Shock > 20_sh_gas_force for details.
1
3970
ca% range 4 - 9 - 11 - 13% for 2-5-10-50ips, see takereading.xlsx > sh ca%, and see 1906 and 1920, important cadj tests series
1
2913
cadj needle, mod needle with shoulder
1
1784
cadj piston washer, compare cadjs, foaming and cavitation
1
1724
cadj sliding plate, cavitation from soft cadj
1
1527
cavitation from soft cadj
1
1782
cavitation, compression forces increased when lc turned out
1
1469
cavitation, compression forces increased when lc turned out, Tito
1
1479
comp force went opposite direction
1
957
comp port bld notch
1
489
compare 1k and 2k pressure sensors taps
2
1815 2321
compare cadj tests
2
1050 1070
compare cps_03 vs cpk_03 shock cadj piston
1
1697
cut nuts, did not cut nuts
2
740 1416
gas force
2
1452 1451
gas nitro pressure, temperature increase change
1
1478
good info in file
1
145
inconsistant gas force
1
1313
Keywords. sh click range, c force increased, c.force increased.
1
4055
KYB_36_14_12.5 cut nuts, did not cut nuts
1
766
KYB_46_23_16 no two shocks alike, 05 KXF 250 tests 40, 147, 148, diff comp and reb force numbers, different compression and rebound force numbers
1
147
KYB_46_24_16 ca pist, cadj blow off piston
1
1323
KYB_46_24_16 drag force, seal drag force with and without mv piston
1
1803
KYB_46_24_16 drag force, sh seal drag dynamic test
3
1404 1409 1442
KYB_46_24_16 gas force, original gas force measurements and calculations for press testing
1
1403
KYB_46_24_16 mv shims, remove all shims from smv and cadj
1
1325
KYB_46_24_18 dyno 3 vs 4 stroke, dyno test 3 inch vs 4 inch stroke
1
1036
KYB_46_24_18 ca assy, another cadj extremely stiff
kyb ca series 2968 - 2969 - 2981 - 2982 - 2983 - 2984 - 2987
3
2968 2969 2981
KYB_46_24_18 ca assy, williams cadj extremely stiff
1
1511
KYB_46_24_18 cut shaft nuts, did not cut nuts
1
1020
KYB_46_24_18 dyno 3 vs 4 stroke, dyno test 3 inch vs 4 inch stroke
1
1080
KYB_46_24_18 gas force, compare Ohlins gauge against dyno press test gas force
2
1314 1370
KYB_46_24_18 mv check, test check plate on shock mv pist
1
1371
KYB_46_24_18 mv prel ring, first prel ring hs that Steven Squires liked
1
630
KYB_46_24_18 mv shims, compare c2p shims with KYB shims
1
1023
Link shock, we installed 15 link (triangle)
1
2763
Measure sag, preset sag
1
3879
mv piston bld holes, adjust compression and rebound stacks to compensate for bld
1
1779
mx-tech low drag piston band
1
1822
national shock, F3 dyno graph hiccup at 20-30-40ips due to hsca 2x5 oring that was used to try close off hsca
1
3887
nitrogen 226 psi
1
1472
no two shocks are alike, compression forces
1
1425
notched cadj bld shim
1
1821
oil, shock, test redline shock fluid
1
1117
PC link, 16 KTM, complete link and arms
1
2754
piston bld holes vs no bld holes
1
1044
prel ring tests
6
844 845 846 847 1055 1056
Pressure balanced, P.r set at a steady 180psi.
1
1708
r-10 is new default for supermoto
1
2575
reb target nu, baseline reb, -140 and -1250 at 5 and 40ips, 2016 - 2018 WP 50
1
2377
reducing comp stack causes cadj forces and press to go up, when it should not
1
1669
ressy gas force, compare gas force stk 2015 vs 2016 WP body
1
2235
ressy gas force, stk ressy pist bottomed out resulting in low gas force
1
2234
RSV, race tech separator valve, shaft nut rsv
1
1728
seal drag forces high at 160 F, sd force high
1
2662
sh shaft dia
2
876 877
shaft reb bld area
1
1194
shim change, cadj
1
1423
shim change, compare hs shims
1
1420
shim change, compare sep
1
1419
shock cadj, cavitation from soft cadj
1
1813
shock cadj, remove bld shim
1
1816
shock clock data available
1
693
shock lowering spacer
1
2437
shock pressure test different pressure bodies
1
2703
shock, lowered rear shock 10mm, measured wheel slack with link and shock bolts loose and tight, kevin measured sag at 180 - 200 - 220 lbs with back pack and weights
1
4023
SHOWA_50_23_16 drag force, mx-tech low friction band, drag force increases with velocity and press
1
1694
supermoto reb for 2016 part 1
1
2313
t6 Canadian piston, take stk pist, add bld and match damping curves, this is a very close match
1
1787
Test shock theories.
1
3759
the 40mm face shim bent and was distorted.
1
4239
WP_50_29_18 aver force, using excel we averaged c force numbers from all tests same as Berts first WP shock build
1
3093
WP_50_29_18 ca flsprs, FIRST test where we started using 15flsprs mach 0000
1
3333
WP_50_29_18 ca notch bld shim, tried notched bleed shim on cadj to increase ca% at 1-5ips
1
3299
WP_50_29_18 ca prel ring 1stg, first time we tested prel ring 1stg cadj stack, the idea is to get ca% up towards 13% at 2-4ips
1
3516
WP_50_29_18 czeta target nu, we used 3075 to come up with co-zeta target curve, but removed because r/c ratio at 1ips above 1.0 see vdb / excel / zeta_czeta_target_nu_based_3075s.xlsx
1
3075
WP_50_29_18 drag force, dynamic drag force drops at higher velocities, unsure if this is good or bad
1
3393
WP_50_29_18 drag force, installing new (SDI) WP pist band and WP stiff oring cause dynamic drag forces to increase with velocity and pressure, 2896, 3357
2
2896 3357
WP_50_29_18 drag force, installing new SDI LDPB cause drag forces to increase with velocity and pressure
1
3177
WP_50_29_18 drag force, started using clevis centering spacers on bottom dyno mount to reduce/stabilize drag
1
3175
WP_50_29_18 drag force, the new SDI piston band is very tight
2
3127 3158
WP_50_29_18 drag force, we ran 17 dyno runs and tested diff pist bands with diff inside bevels, resulting in drag forces increasing with velocity and pressures, trimmier, piston band drag from hell.
3229 has oring squish measurements in manila folder.
1
3229
WP_50_29_18 dyno mount, test top dyno mount with and without c-clamp, concluded no diff
1
3167
WP_50_29_18 gas force, compare calc gas force vs press test gas force, press test is always higher
with press tests, even if the nitro pressure were off, the cforce and caforce numbers will be consistent
1
2922
WP_50_29_18 gas force, compare calc gas force vs press test gas force, press test is always higher
1
3071
WP_50_29_18 mv pist band, crimp ends of Showa pist band using KYB steel pist band seating tool
1
3342
WP_50_29_18 mv pist band, fully seated Showa pist band using KYB steel pist band seating tool
1
3343
WP_50_29_18 mv pist band, showa 50 pist band squished to get band height to 13.12mm produced high dyno drag force around 20lbs
1
3358
WP_50_29_18 mv pist band, start with w50-16 piston and Showa 50mm pist band, 3245, 3246
1
3246
WP_50_29_18 mv pist band, we did not drill 1-60 bleed hole on this piston band and drag forces appear to be much more consistent, THEREFORE do not drill bleed hole in showa band
1
3466
WP_50_29_18 mv pist bld step, mach 0016 reb port bleed step, else flush, see valving config images
1
3237
WP_50_29_18 mv pist oring, we used csr LDPB with used showa 2x42.5 and got a fairly tight fit, but dynamic seal drag forces are high
high drag force
1
3749
WP_50_29_18 mv pist, switch to s50sqr shock piston due to inconsistent drag forces from KTM shock piston, based on tests 3173 thru 3179 and 3221 thru 3236
1
3279
WP_50_29_18 mv pist, tests 3408, 3409, 3410, 3411 all have different s50oval pistons and the c force is different for all four tests.
1
3408
WP_50_29_18 mv pist, this is the FIRST test with Showa 50sqr mv pist.
1
2665
WP_50_29_18 mv prel ring, with and without prel ring 1stg, started when we noticed Mike Kirsch c force at 1ips was 10 lbs, 3072, 3073, 3074, 3075
1
3073
WP_50_29_18 mv shims, bottom of hs stack hits base plate
1
1833
WP_50_29_18 mv shims, prel ring 1stg, mv shims bent after 5 months riding
2
3130 3291
WP_50_29_18 mv shims, replace all reb shims and compare if any difference between 3166 and 3165
1
3166
WP_50_29_18 mv shims, we pulled down prel ring ls stack after 9 months riding and all shims in good shape
1
3472
WP_50_29_18 mv shims, with and without sep shim, 3072, 3093
1
3072
WP_50_29_18 mv top out, mach 0000 dish, test 3093 we realized Mike Kirsch shock had stk cup top out 8h, cvx mating surface, when we put the same shock build in Isaac Wright shock it was much stiffer
1
3122
WP_50_29_18 mv top out, stk cup top out 8h, compare 0003 vs 004 dish to see if c force increases at 50ips, 3336 vs 3337 shows there is no difference between 0003 and 005 dish for these two tests
1
3336
WP_50_29_18 mv top out, stk cup top out 8h, compare 004 vs 010 dish to see if c force increases at 50ips, I don't think we have any tests that directly compare this
WP_50_29_18 polish chrome shaft, polishing shaft with 1200 grit cut drag force in hald
1
3410
WP_50_29_18 press sensors, compare 1k vs 2k press sensors in shock
1
3223
WP_50_29_18 press sensors, compare repeatability of 1k press sensor vs 2k, 1k is more accurate
1
3227
WP_50_29_18 press sensors, we unplugged and re-plugged sensor leads and pressure dropped 2psi, see if pressures after the run become more stable
1
3418
WP_50_29_18 press shock, compare 12sxf450-psh vs 16sxf250-psh and see if they are the same
1
3244
WP_50_29_18 reb click range r15, r13, r11 for our proposed reb needle insert RSV to determine hole size to drill
1
3496
WP_50_29_18 reb notch bld shim, see how much the notched reb bleed shim reduced rebound and affected rzeta
1
3069
WP_50_29_18 reb notch bld shim, use notched bld shim off face to get r-zeta to drop at 1-2ips.
1
3070
WP_50_29_18 reb sep valve, FIRST test with RSV, rin_rsvp01 (reb insert reb sep valve prototype 01) rebound separator valve
1
3501
WP_50_29_18 reb washer dish and thickness, summary of tests with various reb washer dish and thicknesses
1
3165
WP_50_29_18 reb washer dish, the 28x3.2x008wb puts clamping force on outside edge of base shim, and if sep is too small it pushes the hs shims down closing the sep gap
---> starting 5-28-19 with test (3417), we no longer use dished reb washers or mach dish in top out
---> see TurboCAD drawing we made
1
3405
WP_50_29_18 reb washer, reb washer was convex reducing reb force, compare with 3105
1
3104
WP_50_29_18 reb washer, used bellv under cup top out, compare 3224, 3225
1
3225
WP_50_29_18 reb washer, used reb washer with more dish and stiffer bellv under shaft nut, compare 3223, 3224
1
3224
WP_50_29_18 reb washer, we finalized on 26x3x006w for reb and mach stk cupped top out 0080".
1
3170
WP_50_29_18 reb washer, we tested several different variations of shock reb washers and got surprisingly different results
1
3160
WP_50_29_18 reco to improve stack, we may start adding RECOMMENDATIONS TO IMPROVE STACK: i.e. record recommendations to improve stack when things are fresh in your mind, you may come back later and read the CONCLUSION but the little intricacies will not be fresh in your mind
1
3282
WP_50_29_18 shaft nut torque, compare 200 vs 350 in/lb torque using 26x3.2x0000wkyb on rebound force
On 5-27-19 with last test 3416 we STOPPED using dished reb washers or top out washer. 3417 has reb washer 0000 and top out 0000
1
3417
WP_50_29_18 shaft nut, start using 200 in/lb with test 3337s. 200 in/lb = 16.6 ft/lbs on new Tekton torque wrench.
1
3337
WP_50_29_18 shock drag forces, tests 3728 - 3730 - 3731 - 3732 test different LDPB and orings influence on drag forces
1
3728
WP_50_29_18 strait cut pist band, c force and reb force did not change
1
3503
WP_50_29_18 test at low velocities, tested at .25 .50 .75 1.0 1.25 1.5 1.75 2.0 ips
1
3402
WP_50_29_18, remove sdi low drag piston band oring, remove oring from sdi LDPB
1
3178
WP_50_50_29_18 mv pist PDS 2 comp, remove all comp and reb shims from secondary piston, compare 3007, 3008, 3009
1
3008
zeta comp and reb calculations for 15 - 16 supermoto
